Geraint, if that is how you read the post, then read it again. The last thing I ever plan to do is cause a ‘war’ between parties that need to work together to change this government. 2005 5.3% MMP and the slow but steady rise of the Greens shows that policy based on principles and evidence, rather than opportunism and focus groups, is more than a match for the full misrepresentative power of the state-corporate media and the neo-liberal grand coalition of Labour and National. They have a more reasonable approach towards use of marihuana, and I am sure that many Greens support at least the medicinal use of substances in that drug. If they don’t then the odds of winning the election lengthen considerably. This reads as ‘Labour party insider getting off on dissing the greens’ a’s opposed to anything constructive or useful. While the left/right polls are neck and neck, National is in the better position, particularly with the economy appearing slowly to turn the corner. Labour will have a great chance of winning in 2014, so expect the Green vote to return to its ‘natural’ base of around 5.5% – 7%. Cunliffe is a very strong, articulate leader who will, I believe, dominate opposition politics though 2014, and this will naturally translate into party votes for Labour; of which a number will come from the Greens, a number from the enrolled non-vote and a number from the Nats. It may pay for those ones in Labour, like Stuart, to start heeding the call of their leader, to actually do all to motivate those that did not get out to vote last general election, to go and vote this year! I expect them to get around the 6.7% they polled in 2008; or even close to the 5.3% they got in 2005. There will in any case be a transition period, where we still need to depend on oil, gas and coal for time being to certain degrees, to build a more sustainable infrastructure that will cater for alternatively fueled transport, for better built (insulated), energy neutral housing and so forth. The Treaty is like a marriage licence to say that two partners will behave themselves… I think [a new constitution] is just a waste of money, we have to start focusing on what is best for this country because we’re living in austere, changing times and in ten years the face of NZ will be entirely different and we will be following the rules of a new master. Stuart has exposed the deep seated fear that lies within the Labour Ranks. Also, the idea that “swing voters” decide elections is FPP thinking. It’s not what you say, but what they hear, The Press Leadership Debate – Jacinda won but we all lost, Waatea News Column: The Maori Political debates have been the best…, Dr Liz Gordon: The long way around: a personal story, Te Ao with MOANA – The ultimate Jacinda Ardern Interview. “This country has MMP and we left wing parties need to work in alignment to get a left-wing government” ? Still, good on Stuart Nash for snuffing out any illusions that the Labour party had changed for the better. The problem is that green policy doesn’t add up. Obviously an important topic and one that has been touched on regularly both here on the Daily Blog, and elsewhere, and will be discussed more and more this year, with the election approaching. He talked about words that should be avoided because of how they are defined in people’s minds, as well as Words that Work (the name of his book). To actually see a Vision and some Policy would be a wonderful thing. Accountability (people want this in politics, and it’s a better word than transparency, he says) Labour will need to fight for each and every vote: this includes against the Greens as well as the Nats. Or another example – how many people who didn’t vote in the last election are you speaking to? However, those who presently feel disenfranchised have much more potential, provided you give them something to hope for, and activists something to be enthusiastic about. Consequences (good way to express what happens if people don’t support you — best word to use in talking about the negative) Government policies blamed for house prices But that was a better course of action than the greens. Try them out, this man knows language. “ are the stellar example of everything that was wrong with the neo-lib clarkist-govt..”. Now that Cunliffe is leader, and is very articulate with an extremely competent press secretary who understands the game, we once again have a true ‘leader of the Opposition’ and Norman is relegated to fighting for media scraps like any other leader of a minor party. The “world” is a very complicated system and our model is an abstraction. Her notes are ordered on the table, but for the moment sh… Substantial information on ALL this, the medical aspects, the issues relating to Dr Bratt, the “designated doctors”, and what else ties in with it, was sent to David Cunliffe’s office, Grant Robertson’s office (during the Labour leadership contest), was pointed out to Helen Kelly (via The Standard, repeatedly), who as CTU leader even volunteered to support the “work is good for your health policy statement” that even the Royal Australasian College of Physicians, short RCAP, published a couple of years back! Their biggest success to date is probably in raising the quality of debate in parliament, and Russel Norman is a better performer than David Cunliffe on a good day. 10. Look at America; look at Europe – they are falling over, and our lifestyle is going to change. You have to be very concerned when a politician of the left begins an opinion piece by lauding the ideas of Frank Luntz – the darling of the American right. Investment (better than spending) I have heard of some appalling decisions, clearly breaching natural justice and other law! ..there you both sit..out there on the right-wing.. ..stuffing yr fists into yr mouths/and choking back sobs.. ..’cos yr party has not gone even further to the right.. you/paganis/those neo-lib goon former clarkist ministers still staring out at us from labours’ benches..all want.. ..but instead has made an (alarming to you) lurch leftwards/back to old-labour.. ..and this is all part of a destabiling-plan you/paganis plan on running right up to the Next things I notice are that the post has a rating of 2.3/5, when most posts here get much higher, and that all of Stuart Nash’s comments have been rated negatively (or 0), while many of people’s responses criticizing what he has said have been rated highly positively. Where are the voices from Labour on that, on the fact that mothers on benefit will now also be work tested, if they happen to have another baby while on a benefit, after only 1 year? I hope that people’s responses have led Mr Nash to reflect on his attitudes and approach to politics, and this year’s election in particular. Balanced approach. History will show this is the high-water mark for them. As for “doctor shopping”, I do not rule out that some people do this, but given the fact that most GPs are rather “conservative” in diagnosing and assessing patients, and cautious, in increasing cases also rather “favourable” to what WINZ and MSD would like them to do, I do not blame anyone trying to find a reasonable, sympathetic doctor. If you’re ok with the opposite then that’s fine; if not, then give it a try and see. They want to back the winning horse, and they vote Labour as a vote against National. That is not popular at all with the locals, which is a traditional labour seat. I fully acknowledge that if a Labour-led government is to be a reality in 2014 then it MUST mobilise a significant number of the ENV (enrolled non-vote). Glad to hear it. 6. …but there is no way that any political party should willingly give away party votes to any political friend. 1999 4.3% Ref the Lib Dems in the UK or even the Maori Party in NZ – both likely to disappear at the next election due to their support for parties (and power) against the wishes of the majority of those who gave them electoral success in the first place. Can you be more specific as to what you might regard as “extreme left policies”. Geraint Scott’s comment is a valuable and clear message from ‘a potential voter’ to you – It is not up to you to tell Geraint Scott to ‘read it again’, it is up to you, Stuart Nash, to listen to what people are saying to you regarding what they are hearing in what you write. Ones that call to mind good things in the audience’s mind. The last Labour government didn’t do much to help the desperately poor, and the current National government is actively punishing this underclass for the crime of being poor. Nobody in Labour now likes to talk about that. Unum now apparently no longer plays a role in this research centre, but they funded that centre and Aylward for years, and they designed the very “ideologically” coloured “research” findings that insurance companies and governments love, as it gives them the justification to use “science” to kick sick and disabled off benefits and claims entitlements! You see I looked around in disgust when i saw what was happening in the heartland (particularily Queenstown) but also the infill housing and all the ills that go with population increase policies. DR: “It can be both ways. If people have trouble relating to you or respecting you, chances are you're not as self-aware as you think you … Hmmmm, I’m no fan of Winston Peters. Your point that “80% of Green voters would vote Labour if the Green party didn’t exist” is pretty facetious too. nor Peter Dunne (Dude, Where’s my Party?). And please don’t talk about the Greens commitment to a ‘more democratic internal party process’. Anyone that knows anything about NZ politics would say that under the circumstances it looks like the Greens have had stable and growing support. Its clear that green politics has become hegemonic throughout the West, even to the point that right wing parties use the term ‘sustainability’ as much as anyone. You are well advised not to comment unless you know what is going on, and I have obtained some astonishing but also extremely worrying information about this supposed “independence” of WINZ assessors. I did not ‘get a good talking to’ from anyone, but read the comments and realised that my words were very ill-considered and the apology was real. Marc, you make some interesting comments. How many Green party members schmooze with Sky City execs in their corporate box? 3. All that was ever talked about was “money printing”, which is bizarre, as most countries have done what he proposed. If Labour don’t take the cue, and return to their roots as a party of principle, they will one day be the junior coalition party to the Greens. Approaching politics as some kind of Top40 popularity contest, where gaining influence is more important than what you do with it, is at the heart of what has gone wrong with politics in this country for the last 30 years. We have to work closely with our treaty partners and embrace each other for a strong future, after all it’s the people who make the country not the other way around.”, elocal: “Does NZ need a new constitution?” 2005 5.3% We’ve become a lax society while the new masters go to work seven days a week. ..this is the record of yr time in nash.. ..and you want be to speak fucken ‘nicely’ to you..? The likelihood of National supporters switching allegiance to the Greens is remote, so the Greens must target the Labour vote in order to increase their parliamentary presence. Stuart Nash’s article draws deeply on the cynicism of Luntz and his ilk. 2002 7.0% “ I t's not what you SAY, i t's what you HEAR!”™ ©2005 Mattel,I n c .333 Continental Blvd.,El Segundo,CA 90245 U. Drunk 9 year olds & manufactured morality – time for a Super Vice Tax? We’d love to hear it! I expect them to get around the 6.7% they polled in 2008; or even close to the 5.3% they got in 2005.” It’s not what we’re saying, it’s how we’re saying it. I love how he makes in point number 2 the very correct assertion that Labour has to get National voters not Green voters to win the election and then states that Labour should fight for Green votes as well as National votes. Nash’s article reeks of bias. Just thought I’d offer my two cents worth after reading everyone’s comments. Having said that, I do think that it is positive that Mr Nash took the time to respond to people’s comments. whats with the way you write? I’ve written at greater length about the whole debacle here: There is a lot of discussion in US media right now about Luntz who seems to have realised the wasteland he and his ilk have created. This does not sound akin to the type of attitude that got Mr Cunliffe elected as leader. It includes research by a Professor M. Aylward, and his colleague G. Waddell, and a few other hand-picked ones. I would hardly call it “extreme left policies” that the Greens stand for, as much what they propose are middle ground policies in many developed European countries. History shows the increased percentage pattern. As with the second point, I have seen with my own eyes, electioneering in Herne Bay, a large number of National/Green split votes. It sounds bland and based on assumptions – not on understanding the mood of the NZ electorate. Here in the real world the Green Party does exist, and is seen by its supporters as a party to actively support, rather than just being the lesser of two evils in the Nat/Lab duopoly. ”. This is all the more important given the Nats will question Labour’s moral right to form a govt as only the second largest party. Words that work; Its not what you say, its what they hear. Bring them back. Such a coalition will be very unstable as the impracticality of the green policies are exposed and the clash of the egos of cunnliffe and Norman make constructive government near impossible. Of your three points, point (2) is the most contentious: “To have any chance of forming a government post election, Labour, however, has to win voters from National” and “The likelihood of National supporters switching allegiance to the Greens is remote.”. It’s not easy, but the reality is that your outcomes – at work and at home – will improve if you focus on what people “hear” rather than what you say. I’m a green party voter. Then there was the prominence of the (onerous) treaty interpretation whereby tangata whenua owned the white of the egg and others (“if they had bought legitimately”) owned private property within. It’s Not What You Say, It’s What They Hear. One of the biggest challenges for Labour this year is to get its language right. “The big adverse gap in productivity between New Zealand and other countries opened up from the 1970s to the early 1990s. “recognised by John Ansell, Ian Wishart and at least 47 other delusional racists.” Or when the Labour, Green, New Zealand First and Mana parties held a joint inquiry into the struggling export/manufacturing sector. I like David Cunliffe but I’m afraid he’s being used as a figure-head/fig-leaf for a large group in caucus who haven’t got the balls to pitch a necessarily radical message to the electorate, and risk getting a hiding for it. © Copyright 2019 NPR coverage of Words That Work: It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear by Frank I. Luntz. As a result of these things, you have very little wiggle room left by which to avoid squarely challenging the current status quo. Renew, revitalize, rejuvenate, restore, rekindle, reinvent Of course, the nerve that this blog post has touched, is the relationship between the Labour Party and the Greens (and more broadly with other potential coalition partners). I don’t believe that it is a given that National will be voted out this year, although, of course, I sincerely hope they are. ... what I was trying to say, but came across this post (featuring a different quote in the title! (there is amply info about Mansel Aylward in this publication! I am also not “charmed” into voting Labour by mere words and language their candidates will be using. “It’s not what you say, it’s what they hear,” is a really important concept for nonprofits. Labour will need to fight for each and every vote: this includes against the Greens as well as the Nats. Chinese can be racist against Pakeha, Maori can be racist against Chinese, Pacific Islanders can be racist against Maori. elocal: “What message do you want to get out to the 200,000 Auckland people reading this?” So what words work, according to Luntz? ), or now on the outsourcing of medical and work capability assessment by WINZ. Frank and a majority of other NZders want a future for the next generation and beyond. Your own polling apart, he is unfettered by a particular group/ line of thinking and does seems to have an odd belief or two. That is if you want to take your blinkers off, which some people stubbornly refuse to do. Ultimately though, all you create is a climate where nothing of worth can be built. It was also sent to Jacinda Ardern, to Sue Moroney, to Louisa Wall not long ago, and a few others, the ALL have it, but NONE have really commented on it, neither publicly or on blog forums. If you want my vote, then adopt the policies of the green party, or adopt better ones. History will show this is the high-water mark for them. There are some in Labour supporting all that explorative oil and gas drilling going on, and also being favourable of off-shore seabed mining and more mining in general. Top reviews from other countries Translate all reviews to English. ..and should i play yr ad hominem game..and riff on yr tragic/sad/young-fogeyish choices of both ties and barbers..? It’s a propaganda concept designed to bend your thinking: This is where Cunliffe should perform well, compared to the hapless Shearer. More efficient use of existing energy is a start and a priority, and also to prepare the switch over over decades to come. What will happen is that some will naturally come from the Greens, but that is completely different from targeting Green voters: why bother as it does nothing to increase the centre left pie..! In Napier, my team and I absolutely acknowledge that we need to mobilise the ENV – both for the party vote and the electorate vote, and we have a strategy in place to do this. They are comfortable in ignorance; divided one against the other, black vs. white, men vs. women, young vs. old, rich vs. poor. If we contrast the Greens commitment to a more democratic internal party process with the recent re-engineering of the Labour party’s internal selection processes, the Greens parliamentary wing still appears eminently more accessible than anything the Labour party has on offer. Why are you not considering the Green party? Are you listening? The simple truth is that this concerns a number of voters. Looking forward I’d be surprised if the Greens drop below their last effort. So the Greens are an essential force to push for this. It is like the placebo effect in reverse, or the interesting effects seen after the interventions of witch doctors. I totally agree that Labour needs to come out hard on both issues – and campaign with sound policies that offer real solutions. Words That Work: It’s Not What You Say, It’s What People Hear Words That Work: It’s Not What You Say, It’s What People Hear by Frank Luntz, Claude C. Hopkins, James C. Humes, John Caples, Jack Covert, Claude C. Hopkins, Joe Vitale, G. Richard Shell, Drew Westen, Dan S. Kennedy, James Webb Young, Roy H. Williams, Jerry Weissman, Bill Capodagli, Howard Gardner, David … The book’s subtitle is “It’s Not What You Say, It’s What People Hear.” He shows in example after example why this is the case. The only way ACT got back into Parliament was a dirty little deal and “cuppa tea” between two shonky Johns. Luntz, Frank. I certainly don’t trust him on the matter of his coalition preferences. Labour has got to stop being National with a different coloured tie. I hear what you're saying definition is - —used to say that one understands what someone is telling one. Have a question? There were and are vested interests at play: And even the Royal Australasian College of Physicians (and their NZ members) suck it all up what comes from Aylward at al, as if it is all undisputed science! This is what the public desperately want to see; how the Opposition will work together for the benefit of the whole country – not just for the benefit of their own electoral success. What They Say: “Ohmygosh, you look so skinny!” What I Hear: “You look skinnier than the last time I saw you, but obviously I’m paying attention to your weight, so clearly I used to think you were pretty fat.I mean, you still have a long way to go in the battle against your love-handles, but I’m proud of you for starting to make an effort. News, author interviews, critics' picks and more. ..real/concrete policies/ and poverty.. elocal: “Do you think NZ spawns racism?” I rarely come over over here to this blog and have seen this post more by accident than design. See all reviews. Nevertheless his observations might gel with many people outside that group. You are making presumptions, or jumping to conclusions, which again serves to further mislead the already rather poorly informed, biased public, who are fed “news” and “information” that consists more of slogans, headlines, twitter tweets and superficial summaries of events or news releases these days. 2005 was arguably their lowest point over the past 15 years. Definition and synonyms of not want to hear something from the online English dictionary from Macmillan Education.. If he is willing to engage, that at least offers some hope. oh, one more thing I forgot to put in….. You ask the average leftie what they think of New Zealand First, & how they would feel if Labour went into coalition with them…… Various writers have offered lists of … A party who effectively gets its message across that it is a champion of these disaffected poor will win their votes and the next election. And any increase they might get does not actually increase the overall vote for the left. Labour had problems with framing issues under Goff and Shearer, but the bigger problem was that they offered voters a party that really didn’t seem to be all that different to National. The right to… (people want their rights) But let’s be honest about this: I have seen both Russell Norman and David Cunliffe perform on a number of occasions in a variety of forums, and Cunliffe is a class above. He does […]. Having the party leader go Oliver Cromwell on them might seem satisfying when he’s the guy we support, but the precedent it sets is potentially disastrous. I’m only an occasional reader of The Daily Blog, but my impression is that 92 comments (as at this reading) is quite a lot for a post on The Daily Blog, a fact which is itself worth commenting on. ..and you still haven’t answered those two questions.. 1)..yr actual anti/end-poverty plans..(not the arbeit macht People can see all that; there is a giant credibility gap. How much wealth is sucked out of the West Coast by big corporate players. And yes, you can guess, Stuart, my vote will not go to Labour, as long as Labour is silent on all this, and does not clearly distance itself from this madness going on under Paula Bennett in her Ministry and within WINZ! I am a Napier voter, it has always been my intention to give Stuart my candidate vote, & the Greens my party vote…. Fair enough, so Labour should draw a clear line between the Greens and themselves, and choose their language wisely, Stuart recommends. We always hear about the Labour-Green coalition v the National government. Your silence reinforces my suspicion, that in essence, Labour seems to agree with the direction of the approach. Why not go after the 800,000 disaffected who didn’t bother to vote last time? Network for Good. I am wondering how much of what you write here, Stuart, is based on research and how much is based on assumptions? See former US presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton supporting reform in ‘Breaking the Taboo’: Stuart. Or, give us a call to speak with someone directly at 888.284.7978. Read more. I was, once again, going to post on child poverty and Dr Russell Wills recent comments, but I have written about child poverty a number of times, and didn’t want to over-do it. The self-elected Ngapuhi chief, recognised by John Ansell, Ian Wishart and at least 47 other delusional racists. jose antonio molina. View Notes - Words that work from SPCH 102 at University of Mississippi. Is the … button on your computer stuck? He could – and should – have been dealt with in a more democratic way than he was. Again, contrast to the Greens, who have stability and none of the Party ructions of ACT (Holy Leadership Coups, Batman!) A Grand Coalition. Historically, the Greens party vote has been”, Poor analysis there Stuart. There is “nada” to be heard from Labour’s welfare spokespersons on Dr David Bratt, on the hideous, draconian and unjust, inhumane welfare reforms, where they now expect sick and disabled to prepare for work. We want the people of New Zealand to win, period. For example, a pay parity act would particularly help women on low incomes. Labour has a lot of work to do, especially based on what ive just read…. There are studies done which show when you give someone a note/letter/certificate which declares they are unwell, the patient does infact believe they are incapable for the duration of the certificate. 1. it is not a certainty that a Labour led government would be in coalition with the Greens. We can’t compete. i mean..could you be more arrogant/condescending..? But slagging off your allies and potential coalition partners is not helpful. I’m an active Green member, but this is my honest opinion of how the politics will play out. In my blue collar workplace, the management vote National and will do so every time with very few exceptions (like when English was the boss). Also it is rather difficult to fake illness, and even if it is mental illness, a GP will tend to refer a patient for proper assessments by a mental health expert. Yes, it is a fair issue, but hardly ever does she comment on the extremely stringent application of “work capacity testing” by WINZ, their biased “designated doctors” (paid and “trained by MSD! It’s meant to be “the art of the possible”, using public policy to bring about as much improvement in people’s lives as possible. My prediction of green performance is based on history and the facts. Seems to me that would be a far more productive source of votes than the constant pandering to the ever shifting sands of the ‘middle’ vote. History will show this is the high-water mark for them. 3. people with strong views against Green policies may be approaching you – yet these views may not be reflected in the wider voting community. 8. Show some courage, and take a principled stance against the hard Right perspective now permeating the welfare and education sectors; unambiguously support the legalisation of abortion; put forward a substantive plan (backed by evidence!) Your preference is for (allegedly) “corrupt” rather than (supposedly) “extreme left policies”? Independent Maybe the wishy washy, “we’ll see what kind of govt we’ll have after the election” works after three or four terms terms, but it simply won’t after two, given the economy and the performance Key still likely has left in him. Jonathon – don’t lose the faith as I will be working extremely hard for the people of Napier and this issues that you all tell me are important. now im not so sure. 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